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		<title>By: Magento Wakefield</title>
		<link>http://inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/top-5-annoying-things-in-magento/comment-page-1/#comment-19528</link>
		<dc:creator>Magento Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all your points. I find Magento really annoying at times. Not sure if its mentioned but the use of server requests is over the top, the amount of style sheets and javascript files is huge. I know this can be modified but as an out of the box Magento has its limitations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all your points. I find Magento really annoying at times. Not sure if its mentioned but the use of server requests is over the top, the amount of style sheets and javascript files is huge. I know this can be modified but as an out of the box Magento has its limitations.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
		<link>http://inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/top-5-annoying-things-in-magento/comment-page-1/#comment-8830</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who can tell me how to find and install a collapsible sidebar menu...
The program is awesome I think although I&#039;m not a real programmer but I&#039;ve come a cross OScommerce and a couple of others and this magento puppy is way cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who can tell me how to find and install a collapsible sidebar menu&#8230;<br />
The program is awesome I think although I&#8217;m not a real programmer but I&#8217;ve come a cross OScommerce and a couple of others and this magento puppy is way cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Pankaj Pandey</title>
		<link>http://inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/top-5-annoying-things-in-magento/comment-page-1/#comment-8227</link>
		<dc:creator>Pankaj Pandey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 06:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7th most annoying thing people think Magento development is very problematic. 

Every e-commerce have pros and cons but i like magento very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7th most annoying thing people think Magento development is very problematic. </p>
<p>Every e-commerce have pros and cons but i like magento very well.</p>
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		<title>By: baffled</title>
		<link>http://inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/top-5-annoying-things-in-magento/comment-page-1/#comment-3329</link>
		<dc:creator>baffled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@himanshu
Ummm-what kind of response exactly are you hoping for here? Get reading/working. You think someone will transfer the contents of their brain into a comment and in the morning you&#039;ll know it all?

-geez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@himanshu<br />
Ummm-what kind of response exactly are you hoping for here? Get reading/working. You think someone will transfer the contents of their brain into a comment and in the morning you&#8217;ll know it all?</p>
<p>-geez</p>
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		<title>By: Himanshu Gupta</title>
		<link>http://inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/top-5-annoying-things-in-magento/comment-page-1/#comment-3323</link>
		<dc:creator>Himanshu Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I want to know magento&#039;s structure properly.
I want to know each and every aspect of magento.
I need to know it&#039;s database.

Please some one help me, It&#039;s Urgent.

Thanks a lot
Himanshu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I want to know magento&#8217;s structure properly.<br />
I want to know each and every aspect of magento.<br />
I need to know it&#8217;s database.</p>
<p>Please some one help me, It&#8217;s Urgent.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot<br />
Himanshu</p>
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		<title>By: Carey</title>
		<link>http://inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/top-5-annoying-things-in-magento/comment-page-1/#comment-2611</link>
		<dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could add quite a few more to that list. My main gripe is that the developers appear to have used certain techniques and methodologies because they are academic and complicated, not because they are good for the project.

I wrote a full analysis of what I think here: http://www.pickledshark.com/magento-ecommerce-complicated-bloated-brilliant/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could add quite a few more to that list. My main gripe is that the developers appear to have used certain techniques and methodologies because they are academic and complicated, not because they are good for the project.</p>
<p>I wrote a full analysis of what I think here: <a href="http://www.pickledshark.com/magento-ecommerce-complicated-bloated-brilliant/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pickledshark.com/magento-ecommerce-complicated-bloated-brilliant/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/top-5-annoying-things-in-magento/comment-page-1/#comment-2358</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For someone like myself who only has minor exposure to programming, I find magento to be EXCELLENT. Why? It&#039;s free, it&#039;s open source, it really is powerful, OOP keeps it flexible and a few others I cant remember.

The interface is slow and the frontend is quite large, but for what I&#039;m paying, it&#039;s well worth it and the effort.

Im just afraid of the upcoming major releases. Im just about finished setting up my store and dont want to upgrade in fear of something breaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For someone like myself who only has minor exposure to programming, I find magento to be EXCELLENT. Why? It&#8217;s free, it&#8217;s open source, it really is powerful, OOP keeps it flexible and a few others I cant remember.</p>
<p>The interface is slow and the frontend is quite large, but for what I&#8217;m paying, it&#8217;s well worth it and the effort.</p>
<p>Im just afraid of the upcoming major releases. Im just about finished setting up my store and dont want to upgrade in fear of something breaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Branko Ajzele</title>
		<link>http://inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/top-5-annoying-things-in-magento/comment-page-1/#comment-2352</link>
		<dc:creator>Branko Ajzele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOOOL... nice to see the some feedback :) -Hope I did not heart anyones feelings :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOOOL&#8230; nice to see the some feedback <img src='http://inchoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  -Hope I did not heart anyones feelings <img src='http://inchoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Shireman</title>
		<link>http://inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/top-5-annoying-things-in-magento/comment-page-1/#comment-2349</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Shireman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some of the comments are made by people with little or no success in understanding the architecture of the system. 

While the EAV system isn&#039;t perfect, how would you create a system that can support any kind of product and allow you to create the different attributes for it? 

Yes, the initial development time can be high while a developer is still learning it. But once you get used to the directory layout (which is simple once you &#039;get it&#039;) where to make changes becomes simple.

Regarding scalability, I have yet to see anyone capable of creating a competing, very similar shop on another platform (osCommerce, Zen, ....) and running *statistically valid* load tests against it. Opening up Firebug and looking at the page load times doesn&#039;t count as valid. 

I do agree that many developers (at least those in #magento or IRC) think that it is complex and struggle with certain aspects, but what Magento is building is a community where those who have issues can ask and get answers. If there isn&#039;t an answer, often times you have to find or create it yourself.

It may not be perfect, but many who complain don&#039;t understand the system or couldn&#039;t make it any better by submitting patches or extensions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some of the comments are made by people with little or no success in understanding the architecture of the system. </p>
<p>While the EAV system isn&#8217;t perfect, how would you create a system that can support any kind of product and allow you to create the different attributes for it? </p>
<p>Yes, the initial development time can be high while a developer is still learning it. But once you get used to the directory layout (which is simple once you &#8216;get it&#8217;) where to make changes becomes simple.</p>
<p>Regarding scalability, I have yet to see anyone capable of creating a competing, very similar shop on another platform (osCommerce, Zen, &#8230;.) and running *statistically valid* load tests against it. Opening up Firebug and looking at the page load times doesn&#8217;t count as valid. </p>
<p>I do agree that many developers (at least those in #magento or IRC) think that it is complex and struggle with certain aspects, but what Magento is building is a community where those who have issues can ask and get answers. If there isn&#8217;t an answer, often times you have to find or create it yourself.</p>
<p>It may not be perfect, but many who complain don&#8217;t understand the system or couldn&#8217;t make it any better by submitting patches or extensions.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe Branko, you opened a can of worms with this one...

In my view, it&#039;s:
a) a matter of choice - everyone can choose to use this or that software or tool to achieve a result
b) a matter of working out if you need the complexity and potential of Magento as a base framework upon which you can expand your eCommerce business in the future

Magento is powerful and should be used in cases when the business has serious growth strategies and I don&#039;t mean increasing the number of products in the catalog, but interfacing with other enterprise systems as part of a bigger picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe Branko, you opened a can of worms with this one&#8230;</p>
<p>In my view, it&#8217;s:<br />
a) a matter of choice &#8211; everyone can choose to use this or that software or tool to achieve a result<br />
b) a matter of working out if you need the complexity and potential of Magento as a base framework upon which you can expand your eCommerce business in the future</p>
<p>Magento is powerful and should be used in cases when the business has serious growth strategies and I don&#8217;t mean increasing the number of products in the catalog, but interfacing with other enterprise systems as part of a bigger picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomislav Bilic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomislav Bilic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments about Magento are quite similar when you ask developers. Everybody thinks Magento is complicated, everybody struggles with it, many developers hate it, many think it sucks, but everybody uses it. The last fact makes the solution good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments about Magento are quite similar when you ask developers. Everybody thinks Magento is complicated, everybody struggles with it, many developers hate it, many think it sucks, but everybody uses it. The last fact makes the solution good.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/top-5-annoying-things-in-magento/comment-page-1/#comment-2313</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if you had to start from scratch building a web shop... would you use Magento?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if you had to start from scratch building a web shop&#8230; would you use Magento?</p>
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		<title>By: Magento Consulting</title>
		<link>http://inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/top-5-annoying-things-in-magento/comment-page-1/#comment-2310</link>
		<dc:creator>Magento Consulting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Branko, I&#039;ll bite.  I&#039;ll agree with most of those points, and if you&#039;re staying in the realm of annoying things regarding the development of Magento I&#039;d say the biggest issues come down to your last point (#6?) with it taking 2-4 times longer to develop something in Magento than it would in another solution - even when you&#039;re intimately familiar with the solution - for newbs maybe 6-8 times longer ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Branko, I&#8217;ll bite.  I&#8217;ll agree with most of those points, and if you&#8217;re staying in the realm of annoying things regarding the development of Magento I&#8217;d say the biggest issues come down to your last point (#6?) with it taking 2-4 times longer to develop something in Magento than it would in another solution &#8211; even when you&#8217;re intimately familiar with the solution &#8211; for newbs maybe 6-8 times longer <img src='http://inchoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Srini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that some of the comments are not fair. Magento is still a wonderful cart for a shop with not so many products.

 The development time is high for the first couple of times and from then on, the code changes are fast and cleaner than any other cart. Moreover, one must appreciate the OOP usage in Magento to keep away customizations from core code which allows easy upgrade.

Only part where I think Magento does not scale is in selecting EAV model for its DB design. This does not allow it to scale for large number of products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that some of the comments are not fair. Magento is still a wonderful cart for a shop with not so many products.</p>
<p> The development time is high for the first couple of times and from then on, the code changes are fast and cleaner than any other cart. Moreover, one must appreciate the OOP usage in Magento to keep away customizations from core code which allows easy upgrade.</p>
<p>Only part where I think Magento does not scale is in selecting EAV model for its DB design. This does not allow it to scale for large number of products.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stay away from Magento! I warn you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stay away from Magento! I warn you.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magento big time sux. It&#039;s a matter of time when this piece of software collapse into it self ;).
6th most annoying thing is that Magento have in front panel full of javasript (310k) and large css file. Empy page size is over 450k - wtf!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magento big time sux. It&#8217;s a matter of time when this piece of software collapse into it self <img src='http://inchoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .<br />
6th most annoying thing is that Magento have in front panel full of javasript (310k) and large css file. Empy page size is over 450k &#8211; wtf!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Toni Anicic</title>
		<link>http://inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/top-5-annoying-things-in-magento/comment-page-1/#comment-2299</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni Anicic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the 6th most annoying thing about Magento are Magento developers who constantly complain about it, talk about it, dream about it and so on. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the 6th most annoying thing about Magento are Magento developers who constantly complain about it, talk about it, dream about it and so on. <img src='http://inchoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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